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Intercourse, the penguin ([personal profile] quesarah) wrote2005-04-21 09:47 am
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A confession

Okay, I know that I've guffawed, criticized, and generally pooh-poohed the last two Star Wars movies. But god help me, I'm actually excited about Revenge of the Sith. I've ooohed and ahhed over the advance reviews, watched the trailer, and secretly been just been giddy about its release. I haven't had a rational explanation for it until now:

It's Darth Vader.

The 7 year old in me who was wide-eyed over the first movie back in '77 is breathless with the anticipation of seeing The Villain of my childhood back onscreen. I want to see Anakin's final fall to the Dark Side and his transformation into Vader. The sight of that suit of armor, the helmet, and James Earl Jones' voice. Dooooode.

[identity profile] biogeekgrrl.livejournal.com 2005-04-21 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Oooh. OOOOH.

*thinks*

In Episode V, Vader knows he is Luke's father. Presumably he's kept tabs on the family back on Tatooine? But he doesn't know about Leia until Luke's thoughts give him away...

Am I on the right track?

[identity profile] juanitadark.livejournal.com 2005-04-21 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep.

You'll find out. It's kind of sad.

I suspect most people will be simultaneously thrilled and disappointed with this film.

ps - I'm aware that the dark side seems to cloud or at least limit the jedi's ability to 'read' the force. So when Luke's on Tatooine, Obi-Wan is also there, so I'm not sure if he's in some respect 'cloaked' Luke's presence. But then it's interesting to not that Qui-Gon Jinn noticed Anakin's potential only because of his preternatural piloting skills and then by quantitively measuring it (that whole midi-chlorians thing that most SW fans revile - but which I actually have no problem with, really).

[identity profile] biogeekgrrl.livejournal.com 2005-04-21 06:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I read some of the spoilery bits from the novelisation that you posted on your journal. About, erm, after the duel. Is that for real?

[identity profile] woe2you.livejournal.com 2005-04-22 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
No problem with? It killed the mysticism of the Jedi as warrior-monk. Some things should be left unsaid.

[identity profile] biogeekgrrl.livejournal.com 2005-04-22 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree. The midi-chlorians thing really bothered me. The Force shouldn't be quantifiable, it should be beyond reckoning.

[identity profile] juanitadark.livejournal.com 2005-04-22 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
What I said was: (that whole midi-chlorians thing that most SW fans revile - but which I actually have no problem with, really)

To reiterate, I still have no problem with it. I'm not happening to change my mind because a lot of people disagree with me.

To me a symbiotic relationship with another organism (or organisms) doesn't touch upon the spirituality of the Jedi in question. For me, that mysticism is still there but I simply have to look harder to pinpoint it. And it definitely seems to be in the spirit of each character rather than their special abilities. Which to me makes sense given that the new trilogy is basically showing the flaws of the Jedi order as it stood during Anakin's training.

The responsibility of the mysticism is therefore with the people. Not to mention that their perception of what they call the Force is still pretty much a mystery.

So I maintain that it still does not kill it for me, at this time.

[identity profile] woe2you.livejournal.com 2005-04-24 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
The responsibility of storytelling, however, is with the storyteller, be it on paper or in film. And one of the responsibilities of the storyteller is not ruining the mystique they've built up by explaining too much of the machinery.
If you'd like to pursue this further, be warned: like the real Han Solo, I shoot first. :P

[identity profile] juanitadark.livejournal.com 2005-04-24 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes but this is like saying the mystique of a beautiful sunrise is ruined by that fact that man now knows what outer space looks like. I don't see that revealing 'the machinery' has ruined the mystique just changed it.

The 'responsibility' of the storyteller is maintaining continuity and consistency. That point, here, is one to be argued, and it's still ultimately a matter of opinion. I still maintain mine for the time being.

And no, Han Solo, I don't wish to persue it further (see the above). Arguing the semantics of what's in conclusion, somebody else's fictional 'vision' seems a bit pointless in the scheme of things. I'm just saying that I'm one of the few Star Wars viewers that doesn't mind that plot addition.

I'm sure that's allowed, though you don't have to like it.

[identity profile] woe2you.livejournal.com 2005-04-24 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
one of the few Star Wars viewers that doesn't mind that plot addition

They're called "infidels", and are doomed to burn for all eternity for their heresy. Really. Would I lie to you?