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From Salon.com

Army plan aims to keep soldiers on duty

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By John J. Lumpkin

June 3, 2004 | WASHINGTON (AP) – -- Thousands of soldiers who had expected to retire or otherwise leave the military will be required to stay if their units are ordered to Iraq or Afghanistan.

The announcement Wednesday, an expansion of a program called "stop-loss," affects units that are 90 days or less from deploying, said Lt. Gen. Frank L. "Buster" Hagenbeck, the Army's deputy chief of staff for personnel.

Commanders can make exceptions for soldiers with special circumstances. Otherwise, soldiers won't be able to leave the service or transfer from their units until they return to their home bases after their deployments end.

The Army is struggling to find fresh units to continue the occupation of Iraq. Almost every combat unit has faced or will face duty there or in Afghanistan, and increased violence has forced the deployment of an additional 20,000 troops to the Iraq region, straining units even further.

The move allows the Army to keep units together as they deploy, Hagenbeck said. Units with new recruits or recently transferred soldiers would not perform as well because the troops would not have had time to work together.

"The rationale is to have cohesive, trained units going to war together," Hagenbeck said.

Since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, every Army unit ordered to Iraq, Kuwait, Afghanistan and nearby countries has faced a similar rule, although it has been applied in a piecemeal fashion. Army officials portrayed Wednesday's announcement as an administrative change that would serve as a catchall for every unit that deploys to those combat areas in the future.

Initially, the expanded order will affect several units about to go to Iraq: most of the 2nd Brigade of the 10th Mountain Division, from Fort Drum, N.Y.; the 265th Infantry Brigade of the Louisiana National Guard; the 116th Armored Brigade of the Idaho National Guard; the 278th Armored Cavalry Regiment of the Tennessee National Guard, and the 42nd Infantry Division's headquarters staff, from the New York National Guard.

The 2nd Brigade of the 2nd Infantry Division, a South Korea-based unit, is expected to deploy later this summer and will be subject to the expanded stop-loss program as well, officials said.

There has been criticism of the program as contrary to the concept of an all-volunteer military force. Soldiers planning to retire and get on with their lives now face more months away from their families and homes.

In an opinion piece in Wednesday's New York Times, Andrew Exum, a former Army captain who served under Hagenbeck in the 10th Mountain Division in Afghanistan, called the treatment "shameful."

"Many, if not most, of the soldiers in this latest Iraq-bound wave are already veterans of several tours in Iraq and Afghanistan," he wrote. "They have honorably completed their active duty obligations. But like draftees, they have been conscripted to meet the additional needs in Iraq."

Hagenbeck said the stop-loss move is necessary only because the Army is also undergoing a major reorganization that requires some units to be taken off-line while they are restructured.

Hagenbeck had no numbers on how many soldiers would be affected. The stop-loss expansion is indefinite, officials said.

Typical turnover requires an average division to replace about a quarter of its strength -- perhaps 4,000 soldiers over an 18-month period, an Army spokeswoman said.

Date: 2004-06-03 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woe2you.livejournal.com
So they're thinking about drafting 'em in, then not letting 'em out again?

Date: 2004-06-03 09:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biogeekgrrl.livejournal.com
First step is to not let the volunteers out. Then, who knows. Crap.

Date: 2004-06-03 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wafflelips.livejournal.com
GRRRRRR!!!!!

Date: 2004-06-03 10:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biogeekgrrl.livejournal.com
Yeah, what you said.

Date: 2004-06-03 11:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com
Crikey, they're moving units out of S Korea in order to re-inforce in Iraq, they must be just about totally out of troops. And I notice all of the units listed there going out from the States are all national guard units.

Stretched. To. Breaking. Point.

But on the plus side, this is a major vote loser for Dubya.

Date: 2004-06-03 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biogeekgrrl.livejournal.com
Yes. Morale is low, the troops in Iraq have been there far too long. National Guard units are being activated left and right. I don't believe the term quagmire can truly be overused in this circumstance.

But on the plus side, this is a major vote loser for Dubya.

He's been steadily slipping in the polls, and it's all his own doing. ::crossing fingers::

Date: 2004-06-03 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joebanks.livejournal.com
A neighbor of my mother has a 17 year old son who is interested in signing up for the airforce. The recruter is pursueing him like I don't know what. She comes to the house, calls im up etc.
The mother is not thrilled but dad approves. Yet I know that even if under 18 they can pursue a minor weather the parent approves or not.

As far as the rotation; once you sign these the govt. owns you until they say otherwise.

Date: 2004-06-03 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightxade.livejournal.com
Sad sad sad. I'm guessing all the soldiers have realized now the truth about their mission.

Date: 2004-06-03 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biogeekgrrl.livejournal.com
That and a lot of them are tried, stressed, and want to go home. Who could blame them?

Date: 2004-06-03 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com
I mean, I've heard about that mountain division that was mentioned in the article. Apparently it's one of the worst divisions in the entire army. And, America does have some pretty low standards when it comes to their armed forces. Brilliantly equipped, the US army, just large elements of it aren't quite so well trained.

And deploying these units to sensitive delicate policing actions like in Iraq and Afghanistan. Geezus. It's asking for even more trouble.

Date: 2004-06-03 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biogeekgrrl.livejournal.com
That Dubya is smart! S M R T!

(props to Homer Simpson)

Date: 2004-06-04 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com
Did you see him in Italy today, speaking to the Pope? It was comedy. Dubya sitting there next to the Pope, trying to look interested and respectful, squirming, stifling yawns, exuding arrogance and disrespect. It was class.

And the 5000 police that have had to be mobilised to keep the Italian protestors well away from him, and any American newsteams.

But then I saw them interviewing some Americans, and they were talking about how brilliant Dubya was, how he was doing the Right Thing! And how it didn't matter that The Entire World Now Hates America With A Fiery Passion, because he knew Dubya was right.

And that took the shine off my enjoyment pretty quick. :(

Date: 2004-06-04 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biogeekgrrl.livejournal.com
Oh god, I hope they were plants. If not, I think I need to be sick.

Date: 2004-06-05 07:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com
How far into denial can these people go I wonder.

Date: 2004-06-06 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biogeekgrrl.livejournal.com
I really don't know. I can't fathom that.

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